tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post1369587634086527957..comments2023-11-22T09:11:01.567+00:00Comments on George Szirtes: Return to Budapest 1945George Shttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08889600788146987089noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-68752199275897315952016-08-14T21:14:13.091+01:002016-08-14T21:14:13.091+01:00I mean that in all wars the victor, who obviously ...I mean that in all wars the victor, who obviously now controls the news reports and what is released in the public domain has the final say. It usually takes a generation or two before the real story comes out. For example the current war in Syria, it will be a good while before the real facts are revealed, and even then much will depend on whose official version you get to read. It will not have escaped your attention that the young man who is believed to have leaked on DNC Clinton chicanery was shot in the back and killed in Washington DC. Or it may have. When we know the truth there will be no more need for Reporters Without Borders. Gwil Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03305768121713053837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-51604399974204921402016-08-14T14:59:14.094+01:002016-08-14T14:59:14.094+01:00Do you mean the winners were those who were raped?...Do you mean the winners were those who were raped? That they were Hungarian Jewish forced labour camp workers like my father? You mean they received the spoils and wrote the official version? Or do you mean the Russian troops of the time and the Russian imposed politicians and historians of the time? It's a little ambiguous. Official version are superseded by other official versions only to be subverted by unofficial versions that might or might not become official versions.George Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08889600788146987089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-58915681242378585892016-08-14T13:56:00.629+01:002016-08-14T13:56:00.629+01:00To the victor the spoils, as the old saying has it...To the victor the spoils, as the old saying has it. And that includes writing the official version. Gwil Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03305768121713053837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-69449376257652284832016-08-14T10:17:02.849+01:002016-08-14T10:17:02.849+01:00Alas, they did in fact rape, Gwilym, it's not ...Alas, they did in fact rape, Gwilym, it's not a propaganda story, but I don't think Russian troops were alone in that. War and rape have often gone together.George Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08889600788146987089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-29986626748597916612016-08-13T17:57:14.992+01:002016-08-13T17:57:14.992+01:00I enjoyed reading your dad's account of events...I enjoyed reading your dad's account of events and not least because he was like myself the most valuable man in the team, whatever they pay in transfer fees these days, the goalie. A good goalie is worth two strikers. But the football moguls don't see it that way. Here in Austria, particularly near the Hungarian border many fled from the Russian advance and the women were terrified of being raped, being of good Roman Catholic stock. The word was that the Russian officers were civilized and respected normal values and that the common soldiers had a philosophy which wax basically to kiss the baby, make love to the wife, and shoot the husband. One reason for the hate was that the Russians considered the Austrians as Germans because of the Anschluss and the fact Hitler was born an Austrian, but they were doubtless unaware that he had renounced officially his Austrian citizenship prior to the First World War during which he saved on the western front in France as a messenger in the German Army and received two iron crosses for bravery under enemy fire. My good lady only survived by being handed through the window of a moving train by a German soldier, perhaps his last act. Every country has its own propaganda and this is the reason we have these disasters from time to time. Nowadays the USA and the EU delight in sanction Russia and turning the screw but when it comes to the conduct of Israel the only thing they turn is the blind eye. Gwil Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03305768121713053837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-55490886535845677692016-08-12T12:46:29.677+01:002016-08-12T12:46:29.677+01:00Dear George: I have just seen your reference to El...Dear George: I have just seen your reference to Eltham in the Guardian article and am disgusted. Have you ever been to Eltham. Do you actually know anything about it, apart from the Stephen Lawrence murder 23 years ago?<br /><br />I find the reference bigoted, ignorant and gratuitous.<br /><br />There's no more racism in Eltham than anywhere else in the country, much less than the heavy Brexit areas, dasily identified in the 23 June poll.<br /><br />The reference is insulting to all the decent people who live in this town and you are, actually, guilty of the thing you're complaining about.<br /><br />John Webb, editor SEnine magazine johnpwebb@hotmail.co.uk Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com