tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post1521965518160648039..comments2023-11-22T09:11:01.567+00:00Comments on George Szirtes: Notes from a Discussion on Indeterminacy in PoetryGeorge Shttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08889600788146987089noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-37483394222752936302014-01-20T22:55:56.554+00:002014-01-20T22:55:56.554+00:00Meaning is not the issue really. Coherence may be....Meaning is not the issue really. Coherence may be. Concordance maybe. Consistency perhaps. One con or other. The idea of form. The idea of necessity. The rule that breaks while remaining a rule.George Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08889600788146987089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-71982405186146238672014-01-20T20:11:09.655+00:002014-01-20T20:11:09.655+00:00Their meaning lies precisely in having no meaning....Their meaning lies precisely in having no meaning. Renee Magritte, I think. They have different meanings to different folks, the meaning is open ended then. A poet like Wallace Stevens has secrets in his poems and sometimes he doesn't. There are millions of poets and trillions of meanings. Try and capture a passing poem in thought. It will evaporate all too often like a cloud cloud let gone Gwil Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03305768121713053837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-77852242506452237092014-01-20T17:09:16.079+00:002014-01-20T17:09:16.079+00:00I was just watching a sparrow harvest grass seeds ...I was just watching a sparrow harvest grass seeds in my yard this morning — my yard which is on top of a mountain. The sparrow is harvesting the mountain one seed at a time.<br /><br />Excellent observations. (But I will almost always agree with anyone who cites George Steiner in support of their argument.)Dave Bontahttp://www.vianegativa.usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-26567144603665231472014-01-20T16:56:08.461+00:002014-01-20T16:56:08.461+00:00toy lion
a combine thunders
through the barley
(B...toy lion<br />a combine thunders<br />through the barley<br /><br />(But here the images are quite literal; only the context is unstated.)Dennis Tomlinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15392008080036061354noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-77117461135597185962014-01-20T16:13:11.075+00:002014-01-20T16:13:11.075+00:00Nothing against lingerie, as such.Nothing against lingerie, as such.George Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08889600788146987089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-4826042621854099322014-01-20T14:44:20.118+00:002014-01-20T14:44:20.118+00:00...less literary lingerie...what a lovely allitera......less literary lingerie...what a lovely alliterative thought...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-50914414176327245542014-01-20T10:58:25.765+00:002014-01-20T10:58:25.765+00:00George - may I quote your para 5 in a presentation...George - may I quote your para 5 in a presentation that I'm making later on this year on Dylan Thomas' 'Fern Hill'? It seems so apposite to what I am trying to say to the group.havantaclunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-25517680995193954992014-01-20T10:48:51.321+00:002014-01-20T10:48:51.321+00:00And so our little guy, a pioneer of sorts, sets ou...And so our little guy, a pioneer of sorts, sets out on a pilgrimage to China in order to find his kindred spirits...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-37043067864801347672014-01-20T09:28:56.933+00:002014-01-20T09:28:56.933+00:00The sparrow-as-combine harvester motif is now trad...The sparrow-as-combine harvester motif is now trademarked and patented. Mass production of Combine Harvester Mountain Sparrows will shortly begin at an as yet unlocated factory on a mountain in China.George Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08889600788146987089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-51777251789582273442014-01-20T09:04:48.027+00:002014-01-20T09:04:48.027+00:00I am oddly moved by this eccentric sparrow pretent...I am oddly moved by this eccentric sparrow pretenting to be a combine harvester. What a fascinating little fellow - a megalomaniac, perhaps? I would gladly listen to what he has to say, no matter how unfathomable the landscape he inhabits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4638619958588096610.post-64701646926641377432014-01-20T08:10:01.342+00:002014-01-20T08:10:01.342+00:00It's also a wee bit like Eliot's white leo...It's also a wee bit like Eliot's white leopards under the juniper tree (And Eliot's much quoted reply to a woman who asked him what it meant - though I wonder if that happened. We would be much poorer if the inderterminates were terminated: wild imagination filtered through the ancient rocks of constraints and formalism of poetry is one of the reasons it's worth reading. One of many reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com